[00:00:03] Speaker A: Welcome to two Travel Dads Podcast. Here we share our favorite destinations, travel tips, ideas for saving money, and stories from our adventures. Be sure to check out our show
[email protected]. Podcast Episodes hey, welcome back to another episode of Two Travel Dads podcast. I'm Rob.
[00:00:32] Speaker B: I'm Chris.
[00:00:33] Speaker A: And today we are going to talk about one of our favorite places here in Florida, Universal Studios and Islands of Adventure in Orlando. So, yeah, the Universal Orlando resort.
[00:00:45] Speaker B: Oh, is that what it's actually called?
[00:00:46] Speaker A: That is what it is actually called. So, because we've got so much to talk about with this and because it's such a cool place and really, I mean, it's one of those vacations that when you come to Universal Orlando, you really are plotting and planning and investing it. It's less stressful than Disney World, but just as costly, actually, maybe.
[00:01:06] Speaker B: I think it's cheaper, and that's why I like it. It's cheaper, and I think it has better rides and better food.
[00:01:11] Speaker A: Okay, well, there you have it. But we're going to get into a little bit in this episode about what's different about the different parks, because there's actually three different parks here at Universal Orlando, and there's one more in the works that is set to open in a couple years. I'm going to talk a little bit about Citywalk and just what that is and hotels. I know that Chris hasn't stayed in all of them.
[00:01:33] Speaker B: No, I've just stayed in one cabana Bay.
[00:01:36] Speaker A: I've stayed in all, which is amazing. I've stayed in all. But know.
[00:01:40] Speaker B: Amazing.
[00:01:40] Speaker A: I know. And then also, we just want to talk about Volcano Bay for a hot sec. So.
[00:01:45] Speaker B: No, I love Volcano Bay, especially when you're staying at Cabana Bay because there's a lot of bays.
[00:01:50] Speaker A: There is a lot of bays. But we'll get to, uh. Yeah, let's start with just kind of hashing out what is at Universal Orlando Resort. So there are what is.
[00:02:01] Speaker B: So obviously you have Universal Studios, right?
[00:02:03] Speaker A: Universal Studios, that's one park. And then Universal's Islands of Adventure, that's another park. And then there's Volcano Bay, which is another park.
[00:02:13] Speaker B: That's a water park.
[00:02:14] Speaker A: It's a water park, but they call it a water theme park.
[00:02:16] Speaker B: Yeah, because it's still themed.
[00:02:17] Speaker A: Yeah, it is totally still themed, but it's just has water roller coasters. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, we'll get into that.
The difference, though, between, I think what people are kind of more unsure of is what's different between Universal Studios and Islands of Adventure. And I think they are very different. Studios is very much still kind of like that Hollywood movie set.
[00:02:42] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I think it's all focused on movies. Right. Ride the movies.
[00:02:46] Speaker A: Yeah. Right. Oh, I feel like that's a slogan they had at one point.
[00:02:51] Speaker B: It could be, yeah, ride the movies. But that's where you'll see all of the movie themed attractions. And I always call them experiences. Right. Versus, like, a roller coaster, because they're not roller coasters. There's a couple. There's a couple, but most of them are. You sit in a pod and move around while amazing visuals are around you that immerse you in the ride.
[00:03:14] Speaker A: Yeah. So that is definitely the way that Universal Studios tends to roll, versus Islands of Adventure, which is a lot more active. And there is still some of that kind of experiential ride versus the aggressive, physical ride, but not as much so as studios. I guess what I like more about Islands of Adventure is that, to me, even though it's not too much bigger, it feels so much bigger, and there are so many more kind of places and things to do versus studios where you go in and it just feels like Hollywood Boulevard, and then you go to the different lots and stuff, and then it's got.
It's.
[00:03:56] Speaker B: Oh, Universal Studios is the one with diagonally.
[00:03:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Universal.
[00:03:58] Speaker B: I can never remember which has which about Harry Potter, but there's Harry Potter experiences in both parks.
[00:04:04] Speaker A: Yeah. So studios has diagonally. And then Islands of Adventure has Hogsmead.
So, yeah, they're very different. And I also like Hogsmeade more, but.
[00:04:18] Speaker B: Got it.
[00:04:18] Speaker A: Anyway, so those are the main differences between those two parks.
I think once you've been a few times, you really start to enjoy different things about it because you're not trying to do every single ride in every single park. That's why I kind of miss having our annual passes.
[00:04:34] Speaker B: Yeah, we need to get those again.
[00:04:36] Speaker A: That, on a completely separate note, that's, like the best value you can have if you live in Florida. It's a universal Orlando annual pass.
[00:04:45] Speaker B: Yeah. And we did it to where we just bought one. I think it was. I can't remember the tiers, but there was the top tier one, and then we bought the one, just one of the passes right below it because it came with free, I think.
[00:04:58] Speaker A: I think it was the premium.
[00:04:59] Speaker B: I think so premium or something, and that was highly beneficial. Everybody doesn't need that pass because you don't all need free parking. So we just got one pass with it because we always go as a family.
[00:05:11] Speaker A: Yeah. And then everybody else just got the seasonal one, which the seasonal pass is everything except for, like, peak summer, which is great.
So, yeah, that's a great little tip, especially if you live in Florida. Or even, we even got them for Chris's mom and dad when they came, because that was the better deal, was to get the seasonal annual pass versus purchasing individual days or days to go, like two park tickets, because you don't just buy one ticket and it gets into everything. You either buy a ticket for one and then a ticket for the other park on a different day, or you can get one to go between the parks and there's a different price point on everything. And actually, the price of tickets will even vary by day depending on.
So I think the passes are definitely a good value and totally worth the money.
[00:06:03] Speaker B: I agree. But what about the rides and stuff in Universal? So what do they have there?
[00:06:08] Speaker A: So there is not, I guess, what's.
[00:06:10] Speaker B: Your favorite ride in Universal?
[00:06:11] Speaker A: I think we should get to that in the next episode.
[00:06:13] Speaker B: In the next one? Yeah.
[00:06:14] Speaker A: Because that's how I have it outlined.
[00:06:16] Speaker B: All right.
[00:06:17] Speaker A: But I think, no, it's a good thing to kind of call out what is different about the two parks in terms of rides, because universal studios, I don't feel, is the better park for small kids, because there's not a lot for small kids to do know. I think everything that is there is pretty intense.
[00:06:36] Speaker B: Most of it is pretty intense, right? I think there's a few that are good for kids. So right when you walk in, you'll see the despicable me, like Minion mayhem.
That's amazing. But if you have kids, too, who are kind of afraid of the dark, like ours were initially, they were very nervous, but once they got through it the first time, they always want to go back.
[00:06:57] Speaker A: And there's more things happening with studios right now because the whole area, that was, I think, the coolest, the whole curious George Water park area within the park that is all gone.
[00:07:08] Speaker B: That place was amazing.
[00:07:10] Speaker A: It was amazing.
[00:07:10] Speaker B: Perfect for kids to just cool off.
[00:07:12] Speaker A: Yeah. So there's a whole bunch of stuff happening that should be live for everybody in the parks in 24 and 25, but not yet, so we're not going to talk too much about that. But, yeah, I feel like Universal Studios, you were on a great track in starting to talk a little bit about the rides just in that. Universal Studios is not the better option when you have small kids with you. There's actually an article on the blog all about Universal with small kids and kind of where to spend your time and such. And I do think that landing. Yeah, exactly. Islands of Adventure, which has Seuss landing, is definitely the better option when you've got small kids, because you got that. You've got Hogsmeade, which has lots of fun stuff for small kids.
And then just the whole Jurassic world area is really cool. Yeah. And then the cartoony spot, you know.
[00:08:04] Speaker B: Where all the comic strip land.
[00:08:06] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:06] Speaker B: I don't know what you really call.
[00:08:07] Speaker A: It, but, yeah, I'll research it. I'll find out. I don't remember what it's called either. And it's got all the Popeye stuff, too.
[00:08:12] Speaker B: Yeah, it does.
[00:08:13] Speaker A: Yeah. So I think Universal's Islands of Adventure is much better for small kids. So if you're planning it one way or another, anyways, that's the difference between parks. The other thing I wanted to chat about was, I mean, if you don't have tickets for the park on the day you get there, or you want to hang out, or if you're just visiting Orlando, but you don't want to go into the parks, Citywalk is something that is available, and I think it's actually pretty fun.
[00:08:39] Speaker B: It is. It reminds me of if you've been to Disneyland or Disney World. It's like the Downtown Disney experience.
[00:08:46] Speaker A: Right.
[00:08:47] Speaker B: Or Disney Springs. Yeah. So this is that experience. But at Universal. So Citywalk is cool. There's like a theater there, so you can go watch movies, lots of different shops and restaurants.
[00:08:57] Speaker A: It's got the whole hard rock amphitheater there where they actually do massive concerts.
[00:09:04] Speaker B: Is that where we try to watch the Blue man group, or was that.
[00:09:07] Speaker A: Well, that's a separate theater. That's a theater that's next to the hard rock. But, yeah, they've got the Blue man group in Residence there. Been to the Hard rock is actually like a concert venue. Like, gosh, there was one night that I was walking through there, and the killers were playing.
[00:09:21] Speaker B: Yeah, it's pretty cool.
[00:09:22] Speaker A: I know. We've never gone to a show there.
[00:09:25] Speaker B: Maybe sometime in the future, maybe Beyonce will play there and we can go.
[00:09:28] Speaker A: No, it's not that scale.
It's definitely not that scale. It's like, I would say B acts. Maybe not even a Beyonce opener, but, like, somebody who plays at the concert the day before.
[00:09:42] Speaker B: I hope the killers don't hear this episode.
[00:09:44] Speaker A: Well, they're probably not. That was a while ago anyways. Yeah, no, so Citywalk has lots of entertainment things like that. It's also got rising Star, which you've never been to. It's a karaoke bar with a live band.
[00:09:56] Speaker B: That's pretty cool.
[00:09:57] Speaker A: It's pretty amazing and a great stage. I've got some friends who really get into rising Star.
[00:10:02] Speaker B: Do you win prizes?
[00:10:03] Speaker A: What?
[00:10:04] Speaker B: Do you win prizes there? Like an American Idol?
[00:10:06] Speaker A: I don't think so. I've never heard of anybody winning prizes. Or maybe it's just that my friends suck at karaoke anyway. But no, it's got all kinds of different stuff like that. There's also that whole big sports complex for sports bar people, not us.
[00:10:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm, like, drawing a blank on that.
[00:10:24] Speaker A: I know. I don't even remember what it's called. But then there's also, like, the voodoo donuts and antijos, which is that yummy Mexican place. And I really enjoy the cowfish.
[00:10:35] Speaker B: I was going to say. I was trying to remember the name of that place. Cowfish?
[00:10:37] Speaker A: Yeah, cowfish. It's awesome. Sushi. It's hamburgers. Double decker, indoor outdoor. It's pretty great. It's actually, I think, my favorite place to eat in.
[00:10:46] Speaker B: I've not been there. We should try it sometime.
[00:10:47] Speaker A: How come? I've been there with the kids, though. Well, the kids and I love it.
[00:10:51] Speaker B: Sometimes you guys were able to go while I had to work.
[00:10:55] Speaker A: And then there's a couple of different margaritaville, kind of like stations built into.
[00:11:01] Speaker B: The citywalk and what's that chocolate factory place?
[00:11:05] Speaker A: The toothsome chocolate emporium.
[00:11:07] Speaker B: That place is pretty.
[00:11:09] Speaker A: Yeah. Inside it is amazing. It's got tons of different chocolate and candy and all that. And then it actually serves full on meals that don't feel very healthy.
[00:11:18] Speaker B: The same thing with the milkshakes, which are over the top.
[00:11:20] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. Yes. The milkshakes are amazing, especially.
[00:11:23] Speaker B: Definitely Instagram worthy.
[00:11:24] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
When we've done that before, we've gotten milkshakes and just kind of shared them amongst people because they're just so huge. Yeah. No, what makes it really cool is just that it looks like Willy Wonka's chocolate factory, even though it's not necessarily themed that way. It's more of just like, chocolate steampunk.
[00:11:40] Speaker B: I was going to say steampunk. That's the theme.
[00:11:41] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like chocolate steampunk. It's really cool. And even though all these restaurants that we're talking about, even though they're not inside either of the parks, they still get really crazy busy. And you totally need to make reservations. There's some things you can just walk up and maybe be lucky, but in general, theme park dining at Universal, you have got to get reservations for anything that matters to you.
[00:12:05] Speaker B: People still use it like they're going to the theme park.
There's a lot of traffic, a lot of people there.
[00:12:11] Speaker A: Yeah. And because it's so easy to come and go from those parks versus so at, you know, you've got your four different parks that are not close to anything else. With Universal, both islands of Adventure and studios, you enter them from walk, so people can really easily exit the park to come back and have a meal in Citywalk. So that's why it stays so busy so consistently. Another thing that I think we should chat about is have. It's funny because each time that you've stayed at Universal, you've only gotten to stay at Cabana Bay.
[00:12:43] Speaker B: I only stay at Cabana Bay, which is great. I love it there because it's super vintage and I love seeing the zest soap bars and the VO five shampoo and conditioner in the rooms.
[00:12:53] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it's like straight from the late 50s, early sixty S and set up. It's got these two different sections to it. Right. So first of all, it's a huge hotel.
[00:13:03] Speaker B: Yeah. There's like a tower property and then other. Call it motel style properties.
[00:13:07] Speaker A: Yes. There's like the Beach Club and the Swim Club. Kind of. It's funny because now, in retrospect, thinking about the whole Starlight Thunderbird Castaway area, that's the place that has the diving platform swimming pool, it kind of reminds me a little bit of the setup of the Lafayette Hotel that we stayed at in San Diego, where it's know all the rooms built around the pool. Really vintage, really cool. There's going to be some pictures in the show notes over on the blog, so you can see it. And there's actually a whole article about Cabana Bay because it's our favorite.
[00:13:38] Speaker B: Yeah. And from there, you can go right to Volcano Bay.
[00:13:40] Speaker A: Yeah, it's got its own walking path.
[00:13:42] Speaker B: Perks of it.
[00:13:43] Speaker A: Yeah, it's got its own walking path from the beach Club area, which is also where the lazy river is that goes directly into the Volcano Bay Park. Takes, I don't know, maybe four minutes to walk from those towers over into the park, which is cool. The kids would tell you that their favorite part about staying at Cabana Bay, though, is the bowling alley.
[00:14:03] Speaker B: Oh, that's right. They've got a bowling alley inside.
[00:14:05] Speaker A: Galaxy bowl is so cOol. It is what every dirty bowling alley of today probably used to look like. It's beautiful. Has really cool design.
Also the best value in all of Universal is the picture of beer at Galaxy Bowl.
[00:14:22] Speaker B: Really good food there, too.
[00:14:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I've never had a bad meal there. It's true. But, yeah. So I think that Cabana Bay is the best hotel at Universal Orlando, and it has the best deals, which is great. And when it's decorated for Christmas, I think it is just gorgeous because everything is that tinsely, vintage. Fifty s, sixty S. Christmas. It's my favorite.
[00:14:45] Speaker B: Yeah. And from there, you can also get a shuttle right to the park, which is helpful.
[00:14:49] Speaker A: Yeah. So this is where all the different hotels are kind of funky and different in their own way. With Cabana Bay, you can take the shuttle bus from in front of the resort over to the Citywalk drop off, and then you actually go through security before you even get to Citywalk. With the other hotels, some of them have that same sort of drop off. Like if you stay over at endless summer. We stayed at Surfside last year. That was pretty cool. Another really good budget option, actually. And it is just as close as Cabana Bay.
[00:15:21] Speaker B: When you say budget option, what does that mean in terms of, like, a nightly rate?
[00:15:24] Speaker A: So when we stayed at Surfside, we got it for, I think, like 119 a night.
[00:15:29] Speaker B: All right. That's not bad.
[00:15:30] Speaker A: I know, is the same price as, like, Holiday Express, that's directly across from Universal. So you might as well just stay at Surfside or Beachside, if you want to, of the endless summer resorts. And then Cabana Bay is a little bit more. And when we went and stayed for. Was that Oliver's birthday or Elliot's birthday?
Yeah, whoever's birthday it was, I was able to get that for 129 when I stayed there for my conference last summer. I got it for 139.
Cabana Bay is always a pretty good deal, and then endless summer is usually within $10 or $20 of that rate. But then you start to go up into the deluxe properties.
Like Sapphire Falls is really cool. It's across the street from Cabana Bay. And then there's the Royal Pacific, which is really fancy and fun, very Polynesian themed. And then the hard rock is gorgeous, and they play music in the water there. I love it.
[00:16:23] Speaker B: Interesting.
[00:16:24] Speaker A: Yeah. And then the Portofino, those are all those top tier properties. And when you stay at those, they've got some different options for getting over to the parks. So you actually can take a boat.
Know, the portofino is really cool because it literally looks like Italy. Like, there's Vespas and you can get pizza and espresso.
[00:16:42] Speaker B: Can you rent the Vespas?
[00:16:43] Speaker A: You can't they're fake or they're real, but they're like stationary. Yeah, they're more of Instagram photospots.
[00:16:50] Speaker B: Got it.
[00:16:51] Speaker A: But no, you catch the boat from there and it takes you through, just like the beautifully landscaped canals, over to Citywalk, and you get off in Citywalk, and voila. And again, there you go through security before you board the little boat to take you over there so you can save time. The other thing about staying in those nicer properties that also really adds to the value that you're already going to be paying is that if you're staying there and going into the parks, your express pass is actually included when you have purchased a premium property. Did you know that?
[00:17:24] Speaker B: I had no idea. What is an express pass, though? I think I know what it is.
[00:17:29] Speaker A: Yeah. We only get express when we go for work. Huh? Yeah. So express Pass is like the jump the line pass. Is that what they call it at Bush Gardens? Was the jump the line pass? Do you remember that, our friends?
[00:17:40] Speaker B: No. It's called a quick pass or quick queue. Quick queue?
[00:17:44] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like the Bush gardens quick queue or like Lightning Lane at Disney World. So express Pass is something that you can add on to your ticket, and basically you get to go through what is even faster than a fast pass line. So you get to skip the queue on most things and there will be limits. Like, you might not get to use Express Pass on Velocilet Raptor like five times in a day or something like that. But if you only have one or two days at universal and want to make the most of your time, Express pass, there's value. There is value.
[00:18:20] Speaker B: Just to make sure you get the experience, you don't feel bummed out that you missed a lot of opportunities for.
[00:18:24] Speaker A: Like, a family of four going for two days, getting express pass for two days, it's going to be an additional $400 on top of it's going to be expensive ticket prices. So think about what value you want to take from it. But if you are going to be doing that anyways, you may be able to get a great hotel deal at one of those deluxe properties that includes the Express Pass. So as you're booking, that's actually one of those really great tips to try to stay in a budget and get the most for your money is to do that cost comparison of what do you get with staying in a premium property and if the express Pass value is worth the extra nightly rate.
[00:19:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:06] Speaker A: Which I think there's moments when it could be.
[00:19:09] Speaker B: Yeah, you just got to price it out, each option.
[00:19:12] Speaker A: Yeah. One other thing I want to talk about in this episode, and then we've got more coming to you about Universal Studios and Islands of Adventure. But I want to talk a little bit more about volcano Bay just because I don't think we can give it its own full episode.
[00:19:27] Speaker B: No, I mean, it's just one water park. Yeah.
[00:19:30] Speaker A: So you love your water parks. What is it that you think makes Volcano Bay so cool, so special and different?
[00:19:37] Speaker B: I think it's definitely the slides. Right. So they've got really epic water slides. There's the one clear tube. Right. That just drops you straight down super fast. It's amazing. And they actually have, like, call it a water slide coaster. So basically a tube that has pockets in the bottom, so it moves you up the slide, so there's jet propulsion, and the water hits the pocket, so it also moves you up the slide. So they just have really cool waterslide experiences there and that.
I don't want to call it a lazy river because they have one of those, but it's like rough Rapids.
[00:20:12] Speaker A: There's a raging river.
[00:20:13] Speaker B: Raging River. It's super cool.
[00:20:15] Speaker A: So real quick, taking a quick step back to Krakatoa, which is the water coaster. So it's actually got magnets.
[00:20:22] Speaker B: It has magnets, too.
[00:20:23] Speaker A: There's magnets in the tube thingies, and then there's magnets on those tracks when it launches you upwards, which is why.
[00:20:30] Speaker B: And the water pockets.
[00:20:31] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just boom, boom, boom. That's why it is so wild.
[00:20:35] Speaker B: Yeah, it's amazing.
[00:20:37] Speaker A: It is the coolest concept. And I wish every roller coaster was a water.
[00:20:41] Speaker B: Yeah. And they keep it super clean the whole.
[00:20:45] Speaker A: Think so. I hate walking around barefoot, but walking around barefoot at Volcano Bay is not gross, which I'm so thankful for.
[00:20:53] Speaker B: Yeah, no, it's a wonderful park.
[00:20:55] Speaker A: And, gosh, their kids splash zone is. I mean, of course, you expect. Because it's universal, you expect it to be amazing. But the kids splash zone at Volcano Bay is awesome for an adult. Don't just go hang out there and be. But, like, if you can enjoy the kids splash zone with your kids, do it, because it is so epic. And you get to go in the volcano and there's just water dumping, and it's all that really awesome tropical island theme. I absolutely love it.
[00:21:25] Speaker B: And it's just. I mean, it's a really cool. You said it's a theme park because it is. It's themed around the volcano, and it's still a super cool place.
[00:21:33] Speaker A: Yeah. And something that makes it so water parks are kind of a funky place to go with small kids or medium sized kids, because once you're there and playing in the water, it's so easy to get distracted and want to go all over the place. All kinds of different places. With volcano Bay, when you get checked in, you actually get a bracelet, a tapu tapu. And it can link your family together so that you can not just kind of check in for your coasters or kind of reserve your spot in line for your waterslide. But it makes it so that if you are a parent and you are separated from a child, that they can help you locate your kid, which is pretty darn cool. And if you are concerned about safety, the tapu tapu is just the coolest technology.
And you can walk across the little footbridges in Volcano Bay and use your tapu tapu on the little things on the side, and you can spray the people below you.
[00:22:30] Speaker B: Oh, that's right. There's little magic spots throughout the park.
[00:22:33] Speaker A: Yeah, lots of little magic spots. And then if you want to do, like, the luxury version of Volcano Bay, you can even rent, like, a bungalow type thing or not a bungalow.
[00:22:42] Speaker B: Oh, those little cabanas.
[00:22:43] Speaker A: Cabanas. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I actually got to do that once. I loved it.
[00:22:47] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it's a great way to get some shade. Much needed shade.
[00:22:51] Speaker A: Yeah, because, oh, gosh, it gets so hot in Orlando.
[00:22:55] Speaker B: That's why the water park's a great break. Yeah.
[00:22:57] Speaker A: So that is everything I have to say about Volcano Bay. Is there anything else special that you think.
[00:23:02] Speaker B: No, it's just a blast. I mean, if you love water parks, then you'll definitely want to check out Volcano Bay.
[00:23:07] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it's awesome. Universal itself, Universal Orlando, is just absolutely remarkable. I think we need to take a trip to Universal Studios Hollywood so we can compare.
[00:23:18] Speaker B: I haven't been there in a very long time, but last time, I remember. Wasn't that amazing?
[00:23:23] Speaker A: Gosh, what was that? Last time we were there was, like, February of 2008. So I think we could go back and be amazed in its own way. In our own way. But anyways, that's it for this episode all about Universal. Check back in because we've got another one coming at you that is specific to Universal Studios, talking about diagonal and all that, and then another one all about Universal's Islands of Adventure, which is my favorite of the parks. So stay tuned or tune back in. And also, if there's something that you want us to cover, you can always pop over to the blog, twotraveldats.com, and either send us a note or leave a comment on our podcast page. And we are happy to dig in and record podcast episodes about anything that either we've already covered on the blog or something that you think is fascinating. So if it's anything about us being two dads or a place that we've been, just leave a message and we will try to record an episode all about it. And you can subscribe via iTunes. All that stuff. Leave us a rating review.
[00:24:25] Speaker B: Yeah, all those places.
[00:24:28] Speaker A: All those things. Anyways, have a great rest of your day, and we will be back to you after this break.
[00:24:35] Speaker B: Bye.
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